The Unexpected Farewell: Deb Krier Discusses Her Mother’s Sudden Passing

[00:00:00] Hello, good people. And welcome again to Cancer and Comedy. This is the podcast where we look to talk about things that have to do with some grim things like cancer and even death and things that go along with that. And the comedy, which has to do with seeing life with a perspective of having some good humor about it.

[00:00:19] And we like to say that a cheerful heart is a good medicine. Some of you careful listeners are left or uppers here on Cancer Comedy may have noticed last. A couple of episodes and our cohost Deb Krier has not been with us. And so there's a good reason for that. Or Deb is with us here today.

[00:00:36] We're going to talk about that a little bit. And Deb, welcome back to Cancer and Comedy. And would you just share a little bit what's been going on in your life last couple of weeks? Cause it's been pretty, pretty important. First of all, I missed you. Oh my gosh. It's one of those things where every week I look forward to the time that I get to spend with you.

[00:00:54] Yeah, I've been a little AWOL. What happened was my mother passed [00:01:00] away very suddenly on March 6th, very suddenly, very unexpectedly. She was 91, had health issues, right? Most 91 year old people do, but considering she was 91, she was really doing very well. She still lived completely alone, not in any care facility or anything.

[00:01:16] She had an apartment and we were actually on vacation when we got the notification that there was something going on. And so it was A very surreal situation in so many ways, but yeah, so I've been, I am an only child and so have been dealing with things like that. And yeah, it's been a different type of situation.

[00:01:36] As you said, it was, even though your mother's 91. And so in some ways It's expected in a sense of a long life in your nineties, but it's still unexpected. And it's hard to really anticipate this at any time. So was there any aspect of this that it was shocking or since you're reeling a little bit or was you were prepared for this?

[00:01:54] It really was a total shock the Monday. So two days before she passed, she and I had the [00:02:00] funniest phone conversation because I had called to tell her that. The valentine and birthday gifts that she sent to me had just arrived that day. It took 33 days, 33 days. Somewhere in that poor pony express.

[00:02:14] I got a feeling she was a little bit irritated by that. Was she not? She was very irritated by it, but we just laughed. We thought that was so funny that it finally showed up. It was actually still in good condition. That was the funny thing. And then Tuesday, the day before she passed was a normal day for her.

[00:02:30] She went and did her weekly shopping in Walmart. Now she had to have someone with her because she couldn't drive, but so she went and did her shopping. She went to praise and prayer and she had lunch with friends and was, Perfectly fine. And then woke up Wednesday morning, not feeling well, and was actually gone four hours later, and yeah, it was quite the surprise. She had a heart attack or myocardial infarction as the right. And, but all things considered her heart had been very healthy. And so that [00:03:00] was why it was just really a big shock. So as things go, a lot of people consider that kind of, Hey, that was a pretty good death.

[00:03:07] That's at war, Sign me up for that one. And so there's no long lingering illness and so on. A lot of times we talk about cancer and things like that. We're dealing with all ongoing health issues and that kind of thing and pretty good shape for a 91 year old woman. And so you get the news, you're actually on vacation and you're and so you obviously were not in a good shape.

[00:03:26] This was not a bedside vigil type of thing, at all that type of thing. So one of the things I just wanted to chat with you a little bit about here, Deb, was one long time ago when I was in college, I took a course called On Death and Dying. And that's where I was introduced to the work of Elizabeth Kubler Ross, who had these five stages of death, five stages of grief that people go through.

[00:03:48] And I just like for us to talk through those five stages in. context of what you went through here with your mom. And it might be helpful to our cancer and comedy audience to [00:04:00] help them to be aware about that. Elizabeth Cooper Ross's book is called on death and die. It's been around for many years, 50 years probably.

[00:04:06] But one of the things that she talks about one of the stages, and these are not in any particular order, but they. They do happen to a lot of people is denial. So let's just talk about that. Let's just talk about how in any way did the aspect of denial come into play here for you in this process for dealing with your mom?

[00:04:23] No, that I love discussing this. I actually tell people that when you're diagnosed with cancer, I think we go through these same stages. Oh, yeah. And of course the trick with all of this, whether it's death, whether it's illness is you don't do the five steps and then you're done. You go back and forth.

[00:04:40] It's a circle, it's a square, it's whatever, and we just have to accept that's the way it is, but yeah, oh, denial was huge. Like I said, we were on vacation. I was driving and we had, my aunt had taken mom to the hospital and my aunt was her primary caregiver. retired nurse practitioner, so very skilled and knowledgeable in, in what was going on, had [00:05:00] talked to her and she had said, yeah, we're going to transfer her to a different hospital, you guys continue with your vacation.

[00:05:05] So we did, I was driving and got the phone call and I put her on speakerphone and she said she's gone. Oh my goodness. The basic vibe was things are going to work out. The basic thing you're having to think is going to work out. And then boom, that's yeah. It was like, Oh my gosh. And my husband, bless him, said, do you need to pull over?

[00:05:25] Because like I said, I was driving and it was just such an. An unusual, I had, my brain was not grasping this. It was, there was no way that mom was gone, and I think that was the big thing, especially since she had been so active until, right up until, things really happened.

[00:05:45] In fact, even when she was in the hospital, she was joking with them, you're going to bring some comedy back into this. Yes, absolutely. The attending doctor had said, we'd like to give you some morphine to ease, some of these symptoms. And she said, no, I don't think so.

[00:05:57] And we [00:06:00] said why not thinking maybe it was an allergy or something like that. And she said I could become an addict.

[00:06:09] Issue right now. Yeah, it was, and I think, denial is probably something that really happens when it is so totally unexpected because it's just you cannot wrap your head around the fact that an hour ago things were okay and now they're not, and yeah, it was just, it was very, Definitely surreal, and we're on vacation and yeah, it was like, now what do we do?

[00:06:37] Yeah, things change on a dime and sometimes our mind or emotions can't really catch up to the Sudden shift, it's like you're going down the highway and all of a sudden you got to do a 90 degree turn and it's, you just, it's hard to do that, it's hard to get your head around that as people say.

[00:06:55] So another aspect of another one of the stages that is [00:07:00] described in terms of grief and is the one is anger. And this is when reality sets in, but was there any aspect of this, which was a part of your experience? Not really. And I say that very truthfully in the fact that yes, I was obviously very upset that she was gone, but.

[00:07:18] She lived an incredibly full life at her service. She wanted the song. I did it my way, the Frank Sinatra funeral. And and I also knew that as it's like we were saying, given the choice, she would have wanted this very quickly. And I think maybe that is what happened is she decided.

[00:07:40] It's time, and so it was more just sadness rather than anger. Yeah. Yeah. There really wasn't much anger. Yeah, and, but it is in perspective, you can see how some people that would be a part of their process, wouldn't it? You know how that would be, especially if someone [00:08:00] is gone suddenly, like in an accident or a child passing away or something like this.

[00:08:05] You can see how Anger can come into play. The context, I think our context here is important. Your mom's 91 years old, good life, good death, as it were, and something to celebrate. Just sad. I always think about this kind of grief has to, in context also, we're sad to see them go, but the timing or the circumstances can play a role here.

[00:08:30] When my uncle died a couple months ago, we were, he was, In really bad shape. And so we were sad to see him go, but we knew it was time and it was actually a relief more than anything else. So thank you for sharing that. But the, sometimes when people do experience anger, it's the questions rise.

[00:08:50] Why did my mom have to die instead of somebody else? Or why didn't sometimes we do other things like why was, why do bad things happen to good people. And sometimes people can [00:09:00] blame God or blame their doctors or whatever, when those things come around. And so those are some things to consider.

[00:09:06] So we've. We've talked a little bit here about denial, a little bit of anger, another another one of the aspects that Cooper Ross talks about and is bargaining, has to do the what ifs here and this type of thing any part of that process go along with what you dealt with?

[00:09:19] It was very sudden, but it's very interesting. Just yesterday, I saw a Facebook post from a younger cousin of mine who her son was born. Now, this young man is just the most delightful little guy in the world. Perfectly healthy, all of these things. But when he was born, he was not healthy. There were issues and he was in, in the neonatal ICU for a while.

[00:09:40] And she was talking about the bargaining that she did. The, and of course, I think we see this a lot with parents is take me instead. Yes. And her bargaining that she was talking about on her Facebook post was that she would commit her life to God, And and that's certainly a [00:10:00] wonderful thing, but yeah, it was, that was what she was talking about.

[00:10:03] And it was interesting because he's about six months now. And like I said, doing very well. And she was talking about how she made that bargain, so to speak, and feels like she's not, like she's sometimes falling short of that, not to the bargain, not lived up to the terms as it were. She still thinks bad thoughts about people, she's not always all of those things.

[00:10:25] And I think that's where, and it's funny because I think this should be a stage, but it's not listed is guilt. Oh yes. And I think that's huge is, are we guilty that we didn't do something right? Or, that we bargained and we were not keeping up our end of the bargain or, all of those various things.

[00:10:45] And I think guilt is huge. I think sometimes the bargaining asset comes into play when we deal with people close to us in terms of the nature of our relationship changes and evolves over time. We, there's a [00:11:00] different, with, if your mother is 91 years old, there was a different stage of life when you were a child growing up or a teenager or a young adult, or, even in your, when she was, in her 50s, 60s, Let's say, when she was in that area, in whatever area of life you were in, there are different changes here that we bargain differently.

[00:11:20] Can you say a word about how the nature of your relationship, your, with your mom, may have evolved over time and how that the relationship, the bargaining aspect may have evolved as well? It was, like many mothers and daughters who are very headstrong. And I know I am, I owed up to that.

[00:11:38] We had our issues and, always, growing up, I remember, her telling me things like, I will always love you, but I usually don't even like you. Oh boy. That's tough. That's tough. You're a teenager, right? And, and I was, it was not like I was a problem child. I was a straight A student and a quasi athlete.

[00:11:57] I, and, and I attended church and I [00:12:00] did all of these things, but she and I just butted heads a lot. And we and that softened somewhat through the years, but she and I still had a pretty contentious relationship. But, it was very interesting because she lived in Kansas.

[00:12:13] We're here in Atlanta. And we went to Kansas for Christmas. Of course, that, that was, that's never been anything that was, we, it was, we were together for Christmas, right? That's what you did, right? You do. You go to, wherever mom is, you go to mom's, right? And we have known through the years, to keep the visits short.

[00:12:31] Yeah. Five days is about the max before we all start wearing on each other's nerves, which, again, that happens a lot with people, with my mom and I, we knew that we needed to keep the visit short because we would start really getting on each other's nerves. And I have to say we had the best Christmas I think I've ever had.

[00:12:52] Wow. And no sharp words spoken, now part of that was because it was, I would think, let it go. [00:13:00] Don't say it. It's not that important. So maybe I've matured. We won't say how old I am, but part of it is, we need to, in many cases we talk about picking our battles, but yeah, we had a very good Christmas and the really interesting thing was she told other people.

[00:13:17] That she and I had a very good Christmas. What? That's awesome. Yeah, it wasn't just that I had noticed, she noticed too. And and then like I said, just a couple days before, we'd had, had a really good laugh on the phone. And so we were in a good place, and I think that was, yeah, and maybe that's why there wasn't bargaining because I think so many times the bargaining is I want to do better.

[00:13:44] I want to fix it. I want to do all of those things, but we were okay, and, I always feel so sad when you hear someone say the last words I spoke to someone were You know and she and I, and that's where they bargained. Let me [00:14:00] say that, let me have one more try.

[00:14:01] Let me tell them I love them, all those various things. And she and I were in a good place. And I think that's why this has not been as difficult, because we were in that good place. Yeah, it sounded like you had, sometimes they call these things final gifts. Those gifts those nuggets of life.

[00:14:17] You said Christmas and the last conversation you had were very good. Those are great gifts that you were able to give to one another. And what a joy. But Deb, we'll have another aspect of the five stages of grief that Kubler Ross talked about is is depression. So let's talk about that a little bit.

[00:14:34] Any aspects of depression, having to do with I miss her. And I know that there will be certain times where something will happen. Obviously dates like mother's day is coming up, right? Easter, because she very much was, Easter was very important to her. In fact, I was looking at the calendar and I thought, Oh, Monday, Thursday is this week, right?

[00:14:56] And, and, and those will [00:15:00] probably, hit me a little bit harder birthdays, things like that. But, it's more just and maybe it was because we did live, 700 ish miles apart. I didn't see her all the time and I do know that this would have been what she wanted.

[00:15:16] So it's more, I'm sad for me, but happy for her. So really depression, it's and I think, as you said, that is a gift to, to know that it's okay. Yeah, kind of a, that depressed state has to do when we, oftentimes that depressed state comes in when we have left some things, some loose ends out there, I'll put it that way.

[00:15:38] Some loose ends out there and, or we may have things that remind us like experiences or hobbies or dates, like you said, that kind of remind us of those loose ends that may be there. Sounds like you. In this case, she probably had wrapped up most of the loose ends and that's, there's still things like, there've been a couple of times, she's a huge college basketball fan.

[00:15:59] [00:16:00] We were talking about this before we started the recording and I almost picked up the phone to call her the other day. Here's when University of Colorado was playing and, and it was just, then all of a sudden it clicked. Oh, I won't be doing that anymore. And and so that was pretty sad, but I also thought wherever she is, she's watching.

[00:16:20] I did the same thing. Just last night, my my uncle who passed away recently and my dad who passed away seven years ago, were both huge fans of their college, Indiana state university, anyhow. They won their play. They won their tournament game in the NIT last night. And so I had to call my mom and just to say, wouldn't dad and uncle Rick be thrilled right now?

[00:16:38] We just had to have that moment because the season tickets to all the games, all that kind of stuff, they were. Bad team for a long time and now they're doing good. So let's move on. There's one more stage that I just wanted to talk to you about, because I think it's one that you're at a good place here.

[00:16:52] And I think it could be a lesson for a learning point for a lot of our a lot of our lifter uppers. That's acceptance. Tell me about, let's just talk. Let's just [00:17:00] go with acceptance a little while about how that's been. Your journey with your mom has led you to this point, and now you're, I believe, at a good place of acceptance.

[00:17:10] Tell us about that in terms of this experience for you. It is a good place. Now, part of it is also due to the fact that my mother was a master planner and organizer. So she already had the details of what she wanted for her service. I laughed about her Frank Sinatra song.

[00:17:29] She knew the only thing on the form that she had completed years ago and then had changed as things changed through the years. The only thing that I was given any, I could choose the pallbearers. And that was what that was. Okay. And and she. Had her financial house in order, and, she had all the most recent statements.

[00:17:52] She had everything in notebooks. Now, my husband and I were on a lot of those already. I was on the checking account and so I was [00:18:00] able to just write checks from her account to pay for the services and things like that. And so that has been a definite blessing to, to not have to deal with those.

[00:18:08] And, I think that's one of the things that I really want to emphasize to everybody is make sure that you have those things in order. It's, it, now I am an only. I am the sole beneficiary. That does make life a lot easier. I didn't have to be the sole beneficiary. She could have done whatever she wanted, but it did make things a lot easier.

[00:18:26] But no matter where we are in life, we need to have those things done, and you obviously go back, revisit them as things change, but don't leave it. To, to people to try to have to figure it out. Or worse, don't have it where the state ends up with a lot of going on.

[00:18:43] If you have children, folks, make sure, especially, underage children, you absolutely have made arrangements and things like that. We've actually made arrangements for our dogs and cat. If, something happens to us, here's what happens with them. Because to us, that's very important.

[00:18:57] But yeah, she had this all very [00:19:00] detailed. She rented She did not own. So we don't have that thing that we're having to deal with. But trying to figure out, now what's next, I think is the thing I was talking to my aunt just yesterday about where are things going to go? Now, I've already taken a lot of the things that really meant a lot to me just, to have them and have them here.

[00:19:22] And since I have all these boxes, I'm like, now, what are we going to do with this? But and it's, it is one of those, but it was interesting when I was talking with my aunt, she still goes to the apartment every day to flip lights on and get the mail and do those things.

[00:19:36] And she said, it was just it's very hard for her because it's so quiet. And I said, Oh yeah, that was when we, after mom passed, we stayed there for another week and I had a TV on all the time. Yeah. And I also kept expecting mom to come walking in, and so that was all, and I think we do that, and we'll do that for years.

[00:19:56] You expect them to come walking through the door or, [00:20:00] I've had several people ask me about my dreams. Have I been dreaming about her? And I haven't, but but yeah, I know that will come. I dream about my father and it's always a very good dream, and usually he's just there and whatever.

[00:20:14] That's awesome. I hear several aspects of what you're sharing here about acceptance. I guess I'm going to categorize it in three ways. Let's take, I'm going to categorize it. There is the detailed kind of stuff, the administrative duties as it were. And that's important. And you've got, cause if that's dealt with, That just helps so much to help you deal with the other things I want to talk about in a minute about the emotional, the spiritual aspects of it, but you got to take care of the details.

[00:20:43] And I would concur wholeheartedly with what you have shared here about how your mom took care of things. Cause I've. As a pastor, I've dealt with more than my share of people who had did nothing, really, even after a long illness, they did very little and sometimes it [00:21:00] ends in probate court and there's all kinds of ugly stuff that can happen.

[00:21:03] And you just don't want that. You just don't want that kind of stuff. And especially when you're going through emotional things. And I say, yay God to your mom for being caring enough of you to do that. And then I know that you're a, a. Detail oriented person to, make sure expert, but you took it, whatever details were to take care of, you were able to take care of it well.

[00:21:27] And that helps. And so I just encourage people and there's books and stuff, books and other resources out there that can help you do those things, even from a legal perspective and that kind of thing. Triple now, and obviously depending on what your situation is, it can be pretty complicated, but a lot of this can be done online.

[00:21:44] You don't have to pay, a large fee, and it was interesting. One of the things that, that mom had done was, a medical power of attorney. And, and she had always said that she wanted care to continue for as long as possible, whatever we could [00:22:00] do, we were to do.

[00:22:00] And I had that, I don't know about that. Even though that was her wishes, I certainly didn't want to drag things out and just really have her suffering, but very interesting. So when she was in the ER, with my aunt, she signed a DNR. And so that was very different from what she had always said.

[00:22:19] And I just, I found it, it comes back to, like I said, I think she had decided it's time I've done all that I can. And it's just time. So that leads us right into the, the third or the second of the three things I wanted to talk about here and this acceptance and that has to do with the emotional side of it.

[00:22:39] The fact that she cared for all that helped you emotionally, didn't it? To process everything. And so you could deal with whatever emotional grief without having some else thing hanging over your head here. And it sounds you're able to deal with this emotionally in a way that was appropriate in the sense of, you miss your mom and it's [00:23:00] gonna, it's sad, but it's also celebration of her life that some good things happened here, right?

[00:23:08] And that was, I and, we see this and I'm sure you, you see this a lot as a minister, the stories that you hear from people are always so much fun, to hear what a difference somebody made in someone's life. And, whether it was a major difference or, oh my gosh, like I had one person, I don't even know this person, they texted me and they said, When we moved to our small community, your mother was the first person who came and welcomed us.

[00:23:37] Wow. How cool is that? That, that was incredible because I had never known that. Another one. And this one amazed me. I talked to a friend of mine now, mom, it's your typical person, of that generation had the fine China, the fancy crystal, all those things, right? And so this friend of ours, who had been friends, they've probably been friends for 50 ish years.[00:24:00]

[00:24:00] She said every month until they had moved away, mom would have her, just her, not their spouses, no one else, for a fancy lunch. And she got out the china and the silver. And she said, Those will be something that she will obviously always remember. But I had absolutely no idea that mom ever did that. And you went and Linda said, they might be having sandwiches, it was, and it certainly wasn't beef bourguignon or anything like that, but it was the fine China and the spice.

[00:24:35] And I just found that so fascinating that mom did that. And I had no idea because I actually thought the China never got touched. And, but yeah, Linda said, yeah, worked the month without fail. They had their lunches and I just, it's like I said, you, when you hear these stories about people, you're just amazed.

[00:24:52] What great stories. Cause that's a Good memories and good emotional put, you put you in a warm place, doesn't it? A [00:25:00] warm, a warm one of those multiple times you go, oh . And so the warm memories is one of the ways that your mom lives on and one of the things that they want to touch it.

[00:25:09] 'cause I think this goes to the acceptance as well is the spiritual aspect of this. Where as we, you and I are talking right now, it happens to be wholly weak for people of the Christian faith. We. had Palm Sunday this past weekend, which is about when, Jesus died on the cross.

[00:25:25] And we look forward, they would look forward to this next Sunday to Easter, which is resurrection, new life out of death into life. So what play, what part? Or what aspect, if any, does any sense of assurance about your mom's life after death come into play here for you in this regard in terms of how this is a part of the grief and process for you?

[00:25:49] To her faith was very important. She went to church every Sunday. I mentioned that she was at praise and prayer just the day before she passed. She was looking forward [00:26:00] to Easter and everything that was going on. And And it just, and I think that was part of this was she knew that Life was not ending.

[00:26:09] There was next step. And so I think that does make it easier to know that, she's, that's, for her, that was something to be looking forward to, and I think people have a variety of things, maybe they don't believe in heaven per se, but maybe they believe that your spirit and your energy goes on.

[00:26:27] So all of those various things. And I think that is important for people to remember is depending on what you believe in, there is something next. It's not an end. And even for those where it's okay, it is an end. Did you live a good life up to that point? What are the, did you get the fine China out once a month?

[00:26:46] And, and I think we all need to be thinking about that. What should we be doing? To make sure that either we get into heaven or, our spirit goes on or whatever. And if, if there really is just an end, how was our life? [00:27:00] Was it a life well lived? I think it must be a comfort to you to know that she felt she had an assurance of a new life, of a resurrected life.

[00:27:09] And that's a part of the caretaking that we can have as well for our loved ones. And of course, many people have said to me now she is with my dad. She's with her. parents, other people who have passed and, and that's very important. I think that's a great, a great thing for people to think.

[00:27:25] That's a wonderful way for us to frame our conversation here today, the sense of acceptance and wonderful way to remember your remember your mom Tali. And so let's just. Bring it around to this. Let's hear one great story. You already told us several stories about your mom, but either from this closing chapter of her life or any time in your life together, a story about your mom that kind of makes you smile and brings a smile to your face.

[00:27:51] Let's hear a story about your mom. His name is Tolly. , as much as we squibble Squabbled, she was still my mom and she still [00:28:00] supported me. And I think probably one of the things that, was most important to me was when I was sick and I, I got sick very quickly. It was, and my husband had to make that phone call to her to say, get out here and get out here now.

[00:28:12] And she, she was mom, she dropped everything. She came out and she stayed for four and a half months. Oh my goodness. Wow. And, we kind of squibble squabble during those times too, right? But the fact that he just completely dropped everything and came out that, that, that was incredible, and obviously people aren't always in that position, but it really did mean so much because especially when I was in the hospital and not doing well, I was never alone.

[00:28:42] Either she was there or my husband was there or some other family members or friends. But the fact that I was never there alone really made a huge difference to me. And of course, the staff liked it because, they didn't have to keep quite such good tabs on me. Yeah, the fact that she just did that and, but it is really funny.

[00:28:59] I will [00:29:00] share the fact that, my husband will say that, she didn't come out to help. She came out to take charge. So she was still mom. Wasn't she was in control. She was in control until, that she was in control. Now she wasn't really in control then, but she thought she was.

[00:29:18] Yeah, of course. What a, what an, what a wonderful story. And I could tell as I could just see the smile on your face when you talk about your mom, it lights you up and that's a wonderful thing. And that's a. I think that's where we want to be at it. We talk in cancer company, we know that cancer is a bad, dreaded thing and comedy kind of makes us laugh and everything.

[00:29:38] We want to face life with a sense of wonderment and the possibilities, even in the midst of some terrible. Terrible stuff. And what you shared here today, Deb, is really wonderful. And I think the legacy of your mom, Tali, lives on in what you're doing now in your trynottodiedotlive website and Facebook page, and you're [00:30:00] sharing stories and you're trying to contribute back to people who may have their own challenges as well.

[00:30:04] So wonderful. I'm sorry. Go ahead. You want to finish that thought? Being of service to her was what was so important and that she did pass on to me. And you certainly lived that out. I just want to thank you. I want to thank you Deb for being vulnerable, for sharing with our audience your story.

[00:30:20] And it's a very, it's pertinent to our audience, but also, but it is your personal story. personal story about your mom. Obviously you have a great love and respect for your mom. And we grieve with you and celebrate with you about about your mom and her influence in your life. And we thank you that allowed now has allowed your mom's influence to not only speak to your life, but to speak to our lifter uppers.

[00:30:44] That's not a bad thing, is it? It's not, and I thank you for giving me this opportunity, because I think that is part of the acceptance and all those is being able to talk about it, and I think so many times we think we can't, and we can't be open and we can't be vulnerable, [00:31:00] but it's a, it's okay folks it's okay to feel that.

[00:31:03] Awesome. Awesome. We did. It's one of our values here at Cancer Comedy. We want to be of service to our audience in so many ways. Our lifter uppers in order to lift up your life. And certainly Deb Deb Krier and myself are all devoted to that. And we would love for you to be a part of our community, which you can do here by you could connect up with Deb's website at TryNotToDie.

[00:31:24] live or here at Cancer and Comedy. Comedy. com. And we look look forward to hearing from you, being a part of our community. So Deb, thanks for being with us today here on this episode of Cancer and Comedy.