Prof. Frank Chindamo, CHP from LaughMD.com on The Revolutionary App Bringing Smiles to Hospitals Nationwide

So our guest here today is going to do just that. His name is Professor Frank Chindamo, CHP, and we'll talk about what that means here in a minute. He's the founder of and CEO of LaughMD, which is a company which has designed and put into implementation a proprietary video app which is used in hospitals and urgent care places, maturity wards, oncology wards and dialysis, other healthcare settings. And he's our guest. He's going to talk. We're going to learn all about there in just a moment. Frank, welcome. Welcome to Cancer and Comedy, my friend.

Thank you so much, Brad, Happy April Fool's Day to you,

April Fool's Day. Indeed, it is my friend, April 1, 2025, the beginning of humor month. And so it's great to be with you and tell me what, what kind of did something April foolish happen to you today? So

I tried to trick my girlfriend into thinking I was growing a beard. And it was not the the sophisticated do that you have there, Brad, somebody had run a hairbrush through a care through a car wash.

Okay,

Yeah, look bad. So I did that, and then I, because we work in comedy and medicine, I did a prank for my old company that said that from now on, all the secretary Kennedy's new Aha, as it's called, the agency for healing or something. They were going to dispense entirely, no more vaccines. You would only get red clown noses.

Okay, that's awesome. That's awesome. Well, picture of the story. Oh, you're going to tell me, yeah, you're to show a photo show of picture of that,

Yes, so I'm sharing my entire screen. Share entire screen. Here we go. So here's a picture of the story as it were coming right up for you.

Heard it all right? There we go. Yeah, awesome, awesome. Let me, let me see if it'll show on my end here, there we go. It's on my side. Here, now, good, good, good. So, oh my gosh, there I go. Now I see it okay. That's awesome. That is awesome, man. Hello, I love, love that. So

not sharing. There we go. Hello, stop sharing. Thank you.

All right, now I gotta add myself back over here, the right, here, all right. There we go. We're back.

Your big, your big.

My big deal was with my April Fool's Day. I always try to get my wife if I can, because she's a wonderful, fantastic woman, but incredibly gullible, and so that that's good for somebody married. So yeah, there you go. That's the biggest joke of all this. But she it's good for somebody like me who likes to fool and pull pranks once in a while. Anyhow, yesterday was her last week she retired. Yesterday was her last full day of work, after something like 40 years in the legal profession. And so today was the first day in a long time she's going to get to sleep in, you know, on a work day. And so she was really looking forward to sleeping in, but I got up a little bit early, and I went to the bathroom there in the hallway, down the hallway, and it came back excited. Hey, I saw a mouse in the hallway, and of course, she flipped out and and was jumped up and was not happy with me. And that's when the beatings began. And so, so she didn't get to sleep in, she got to freak out. And you know me. And then I said, April Fools, of course. And then she then came the grown, you know the grown King. Okay, King came. Came then so, but we have some fun together. And we've been married for coming up on 35 years pretty soon. So something's working there, yeah, something's working there. But Frank, appreciate you joining me here, man, you've got some innovative stuff that you're working on. I really want to get into it here in just a minute, but demand you you've already talked about some things that kind of made you laugh with a smile on your face here. And you're in the business of laughter, in a way. But I know there's going to be, we're going to talk about a little bit about your background, how you went from a writer and comedy and now you're in this area of therapeutic technology. I guess I'd like you to unpack that a little bit, just a little bit of your story, about how you moved from the entertainment world into kind. This combination of technology and entertainment, and I don't want to say too much. I want you to share it, please. A little bit about your background there.

Well, sure, so I, I was that little schnook who would get, you know, beaten up. I grew up in a rough neighborhood and get beaten up and knocked over. And I found, just like George Carlin, that if I was funny that I would get left alone and not beat up. So I kind of honed my sense of humor. And considering I came from a lower middle class background, my dad was a sanitation worker in Queens, New York, there was no possibility of me ever getting into show biz. But lo and Oh, within 12 years and I, I was working here at this place. You've probably heard of this TV show. Well,

I see it, but for our audio listeners, Tell us. Tell us what you're showing us here. I'm showing you a little bit live.

I wound up as an in started as an intern at SNL, the first Eddie Murphy year. Wow, I haven't and

Saturday life, Wow, that's incredible, man. Yeah,

it was pretty cool. It's pretty cool. There you go. There's, there's, there's a sketch from when I was there, and I wound up actually writing a sketch for them, because it was such a bad year. It was the only year that SNL was ever thrown off the air. Wow, you let a 19 year old read something for them.

Well, give us just a little nugget of what that that sketch was about, but to walk us through what it was like to actually see it, you know, beyond on air there. What was that?

Well, so the two movies of that summer were Raging Bull with Robert De Niro, about the the prize fighter and Elephant Man, about the horrifically ugly man who was, you know, became part of society, but he always wore a hood because he was so ugly. And so I mashed the two of them together and called it raging elephant, okay? And it's about a horrifically ugly boxer, okay?

And so that must have been and that made it on air and everything is that, right?

Well,it was slated to go on air, and I was ecstatic about it. I'm 19, as I said, and that the week before they had done, you know, the reading of it and everything. And the host that week was Charlene Tilton from the TV show Dallas, and there was a running tag about who shot Jr, right? So we had a pretend assassination with a guy named Charlie rocket on our show, and we're getting to the weeds here, but it was who shot CR, and this was in the 19, early 1980s when many of our cast members and Sketchers were fueled by cocaine. Yes, okay, Charlie had done a little bit too much of the cocaine, and when they asked him, you know Charlie, who shot you, he said, I don't know, but I'm gonna find out who the leap.

Yeah, oh my goodness. Well, that must have been a thrill to be, just to be involved in it at all, in that. And that was that led you to some other things. I know you worked on some movies and some things of that nature. So tell us a little bit about that, and then transition a little bit to what's kind of fast forward to where you're, what you're doing now.

Yeah, no, I wind up working on, you know, only, almost exclusively, comedies. I worked on Ghostbusters in the writing department there, and I got to work with the writers, Stan Ackroyd and Harold Ramis on that, just as an assistant, I didn't write a word of it, but that. And then I went up having a company called Fun little movies that for you video viewers can see behind me, I wound up winning some awards for making little short comedies for like HBO and Showtime and all you know, comedies with some great comedians. And then I wound up becoming a professor, and that's why I have title at schools like USC and UCLA and Chapman University, as a web video professor teaching how students how to make little comedy videos. But I always knew this is your next question. So what did you do after that?

Okay, I'm sorry I was I missed my cue. Man, so what'd you do after that? Frank, funny. You should ask please, please, sir, tell me what happened after that. No, I could never, okay, oh my, you'll have to pray it out of me. Oh my, go, go, go, baby.

All right, so I was teaching my students about how to make videos for the internet, and it was kind of the dawn of that on up to just a couple of years ago, and I. Realize that the best and highest calling for the funny videos that I made were to put them in hospitals, because laughter is the best medicine. So I formed a channel, a TV channel, of fun little movies that played at Kaiser Permanente hospital and at Cedar Sinai Hospital, and that's how it all started.

Well, and that's awesome. And you also sound like you were kind of on the edge of some of the YouTube stuff and things like that happened in terms of doing web videos, things like that. So you're kind of the one of the daddies of YouTube. I know you may or may or may have been involved with that, but the people, the guys who started that, but, but the a lot of that energy, creative energy, was popping around then. But before we dive, before we dive too much, Frank into what you're doing now, about doing the videos and hospitals and so on, I want to talk ask a little bit about kind of some motivation, or some other aspects that may have been here. I know in our prior conversation, you mentioned that you lost your father to cancer. I just wonder if you can go back and kind of walk us through that experience in the sense of how that may or may not have shaped your vision for either comedy or laughter and or even what you're doing now. Is that a part of this, a part of the story.

It's a really big part. I mean, my dad, unfortunately, was dying of cancer at the hospital when I was working at SNL. And every, you know, every, every couple of nights, I'd go to see him after work, and I wished that I could bring what we were doing in SNL to the hospital, because everybody knew, you know, laughter is the best medicine. And the milieu at SNL was the literal opposite of that at the hospital, where it was dour and depressing and, you know, gray painted walls, and wow, the bummer to be around.

You know, you got that the certain kind of a vibe and smell around some hospitals as well. They just is, as you said, it's depression. And so were you able to do some of that? We're able to, we're able to bring a little bit of that uplifting kind of thing to him at all? Well, not

really, at least I didn't bring the smell with me. There you go. But I wish that I could, you know, but in those days, it was just linear television and so, like, you couldn't just, you know, watch SNL on demand, right? The other week came Saturday nights at 1130 so that was kind of the seminal thing that kind of cemented in me that like I should stick to comedy, because I know comedy can make people feel better, including myself, and it got me out of few beatings when I was a kid, right, right? You know, had a big no just like George Carlin, right? I grew up in a really tough neighborhood, and so I learned to, you know, be funny and not get beat up.

So it's a bit of a survival skill. You had the thing going on with your dad. Was there anybody else influencer in your life who was kind of a funny person, or anybody buddies that you had who kind of were part of that vibe of comedy or being funny?

Well, by the time I, you know, got out of SNL and Ghostbusters, I was, you know, working on lots of comedy movies, and then I started working in comedy clubs and working like Ray Romano and Dennis Leary and who Jackie Mason, that's going way back, yeah, lot of, a lot of the comedians who you know from today that were pretty, you know, just, just starting out back then.

Wow, lot of influence that way. And yet you've took a track that was that kind of melded, if you will, or the intersection of Connecticut, comedy, entertainment, and you can went into the educational part of it, and now in the technological part of it. So take us there a little bit how that evolved for you to get an education and the technology, and then to kind of bring it back around in to this app that you have well.

Along the way, my stepfather, by this time, had, he was dying of cancer, and By this time, you know, I could bring in, like a portable VCR to show him, and then my youngest brother passed away in a hospital of cancer related illnesses. And each time, it just broke my heart. And so hearing I'm a professor teaching students how to make mostly Funny Video. Videos, and I realized that the greatest, highest calling of making funny videos was to give them to people who were in dire need, and who are hospitals and cancer facilities, right?

So I don't want the one of the things you've said several times on our conversations, and it's a some people think of as a trite saying, but as you and I certainly don't, if laughter is the best medicine, then why aren't we really using it more so that that's kind of a key phrase for you. That's kind of a motto that you have. Is it not?

Well, I'm writing a book now called if laughter is the best medicine, why the bleep don't we use it as medicine, right?

There you go. So that's what you're and that's what you're doing. So what you come up, come up here is, well, tell us kind of how it works. You now have used kind of modern technology, and you've got some people who are some people who are really working with you to put laughter as actual medicine, as it were, as a therapeutic tool, if you, if you will, into the hands of people in hospitals and therapy clinics and what, what have you. So just kind of tell us what the app is and kind of how it works.

Well, the app is centered around the science. When we played channels of comedy videos at Kaiser Permanente hospital, at Cedar Sinai Hospital. Everybody said, yeah, that's a nice thing, but where's the science? Where's the evidence? Show us the proof. Know is that this has a lasting effect. Show us that this has you know, that that that the people who watch it do better against the control group, things like that. And so over the course of when I started this in 2011 until now, it's been about getting the science part of it down. And that's a completely alien world for me, because I was a comedy writer. What do I write about science? But the team that I work with, they know a lot about it, and I'm super grateful to them.

So I know in looking at your website, you just got a ton of research there. I know I've seen a little bit that you've showed me as well. I mean, one of the things you just kind of give a snapshot of it, you say that the evidence shows, the scientific research shows that up to 60% pain reduction in some studies. So what do you learn from those findings that surprised you, or what? What gave you some uh, affirmation of what you're working on here?

Well, good question. The we've done five studies, one where we lowered stress in USC healthcare providers by like 90 something percent, but it took an hour. Then, when I was teaching at Chapman, we did it there with healthcare providers in just three minutes, we lowered their stress by 13% then at USC Norris Cancer Center with the fantastic Dr Yasek Penske, we gave an app of comedy videos. They watched them for half an hour, and we lowered stress in over 90% of the patients, and we lowered pain in over 90% of the patients who had pain. So stress and pain are two of your biggest issues when you have cancer, right, right, right, right.

And these were actually measured in some sort of a scientific way. It was not just kind of an observation, you know, type of thing. It was some sort of a scientific the scientific method was used in terms of doing this research. And you've got, as you mentioned, on your team, you know, it's not just a bunch of stand up comedians on your team. You've got, you know, researchers and doctors and scientists and other folks who are involved. And tell me a lot how, what those folks have contributed to your work here, in terms of, were they did they have to be kind of convinced coming in, this is something that has some valid look at or tell me kind of how some of those conversations went with some of the medical professionals or scientific people.

Well, one of the advisors is the real Dr Patch Adams, who was portrayed by Robin Williams in the movie. And wow, he's still with us. And you know he, he believes in this, so it's good to have, have him on board. Dr Amitabh Mazumder was one of the oncologists who first pioneered the use of stem cells in oncology, and he's been a professor at USC at NYU, and now he's one of the principals at the oncology Institute. In fact, Scott Michael Jensen, somebody who ran the content store for Nokia, helped create the app for Major League Baseball, ran the Weather Channel all their digital so he's somebody who's very talented in business. He's a lawyer as well. I owe my life to this guy. Uh. Aristotle Zhang graduated from Pepperdine. He's our, our head of research, and he is someone who even becomes a teenager here in an anti smoking campaign to get teens to stop smoking. Wow. So

Craig credibility, the credibility part is pretty, pretty firm. Pretty

firm. Go on, Dr Sandra Sufel who ran a wing of a hospital by the time she was 30 and has raised over a billion dollars in in medicine, in medical technology. Rick. Rick Barnett was somebody who ran five different hospitals before he joined with us. So wow, really team, yeah,

well, let's walk through that. So the credibility is there. You've gathered a lot of material. Here you've in some way or another, vetted the material I assume that you bring in for to tell me how that works. How do you vet the material that you bring in for appropriateness or effectiveness and things of that nature? Do you do that type of thing?

Of course. So here's what the app looks like. I'm showing it to you on screen now, right? And, oh, there's an icon that says, Start here, and if you tap that, it asks for your de identified patient ID number, and then you go through a survey to determine your health status at that moment.

It is subjective, and just for our audio listeners, this is an app on your phone. That's what we're talking about here.

Yes, as opposed to an app on your shoe.

You got you got me there, my man. So, yeah, you plug into this. Now, let's just say I'm, in a way, I'm celebrating, but yeah, two years ago, this week is when I had my cancer surgery, and I was in the hospital for a few days. So it's kind of a I've been reminded of that, but I would like to I would have been cool to have had something like this when I was in the hospital and not feeling the best, but able. But how would that work if I'm in the hospital having surgery and, you know, and the hospital is somehow this available, or this app is available commercially, and just kind of tell me how that works.

So right now, it's not available commercially, so we would have to give it to you, because you're a really good dude, and we would give you the app, and then you would just click on the button here that says, Watch videos. And once you click on that, you can see, can you read the types of videos we have on there?

Yeah, I see like kids and animation and pranks and babies and things like that, right? Animals, absolutely, categories, right?

Okay, so we've got Seinfeld on there. We've got all in the family. We've got Rhoda for you know, classic TV shows, 30 rock Parks and Rec. We've got stand up comedians like Jerry Seinfeld, Gabriel Iglesias, John Mulaney, Nate Barga, yeah, we've got a whole lineup of them. And we've got funny baby videos, funny kid videos, you know, Funny Animal Videos, the talking dog, all that stuff.

Good, good, good. So there's the host.

I'm sorry you said, as you said, you know, we have to, we have a team of four people who look at the videos and make sure that they're clean, make sure that they're friendly, make sure that they're not something that's going to embarrass you as you play it on your phone next to your Aunt Millie, right?

Okay, I think, I think, I think that's important, you know, that's important to be appropriate, but also effective. And so hopefully they're, you know, also effective in what you're looking to accomplish. So just to understand, it's not available commercial. Does that mean, like, like, the hospital I went to? Would they somehow to be, somehow connect, if I was going to use it, that hospital system would have to make it available as a service to Me, as a patient? Is that kind of how that works?

That's, yeah, if they, if they're, you know, ambitious enough, clever enough and adventurous enough to reach out to us? They would, and then we would supply the app to them as a service, and then they would supply it to their patients.

I see, okay, well, tell me, how's it working? What kind of results are you getting the places where you have now? Are people responding to this pretty well?

I would say so. I mean, the last study we did with at still University, with the DR Joseph R Cohen, who's the head of the pain management clinic, there patients started at a level 10 pain. These were chronic. Pain patients, and with an n of over 40 patients, and over the course of watching half an hour funny videos a day for 28 days, their pain level went down to a four. Wow, so from a 10 to a four is like the difference between getting hit in the head with a hammer or a pillow.

Yeah, a big, a big a difference. A big difference, right? Yes, yeah. Well, so you're seeing that happening, and then I assume that you can gather that data to use in sharing with the powers that be at various institutions. And whatever is I'm getting that, whatever I'm going out here with you, Frank, is this is that I just think skepticism and kind of a situation of not giving validity to this type of thing is an issue that that is that humor professionals, humor therapy professionals, are dealing with and see what you think is you're really on the front lines of this. I'll give you my own Quick, quick story. I happen to know the person who was head one of the hospital systems around here connected to a major university. In other words, there's hospitals not only in our capital city of Indianapolis, but all around the state. But yeah, he just had retired, like, a few weeks before, and I went to him, and he's a personal friend of mine. I've known him literally for 30 some years, and I kind of pitched the idea of doing some interviews for my podcast, cancer comedy, basically about therapeutic camera and that type of thing. And he, you know, he just looked at me like I was crazy. And from, you know, just like, just dismissed it outright, without any taken any further at all. So I just wanted to get your take then. And how do you deal with skepticism, with pushback, with those who think that there's not a lot of validity here. How are you dealing with that in your in your work, in developing this app?

Well, first of all, is this guy still your friend?

Well, we haven't talked since then. If you ask me, I think he kind of, he's kind of ghosted me since then. But, oh well.

Yeah, exactly, yeah. So, you know, there's a, there's a thing called the bell curve, right, right? And at both ends of the bell curves, there are two things, right? There's the one side where there's the laggards, people who don't want to try anything new, you know, they couldn't work a computer if it bit the bottle, like, right? And then there are the people like Steve Jobs, the innovators, the visionaries. We're at the other end of this thing, right? Sounds like your friend is not a visionary in that aspect. He might be in other ways. He might be a virtuoso violinist who knows, right? But the thing that all of those people have in common, though, is that everyone has heard the expression laughter is the best medicine.

Yes, one agrees with it, yeah, yeah. Well, that's kind of where, that's kind of where we're at. We got, that's part of the evangelistic mission, if you will, of what folks like you and I are working on. Well, it's so I just think that's interesting and so your goal, I assume, is to get your app into more and more hospital systems and other clinics and things of this nature and so and that's kind of what we're after here, and that's part of what therapeutic COVID is all about. I know there's one area you really seem like you're either have or expanded to, or maybe you're looking to expand to. Maybe you could say more about that is has to do with addiction recovery and this type of thing. Tell me about that. Where you at on that part of things? Why did you decide to go to that aspect of recovery, of the need?

Well, I you know, we think we'd be great for addiction recovery. We're not in a facility as of yet, but we've spoken with many people who run facilities who say, yeah, that'd be, that'd be a good idea. We should try that. But again, it takes somebody who has the the impetus, the adventurous spirit and the strong desire to try something new that will absolutely positively work, because we've done five studies now and through the A, A, T, H, you know, I met Dr Ronald Burke, who pointed out that there are 400 studies that show that laughter is therapeutic in one way or another. 400 times somebody went, I wonder if laughter can help with your blood pressure. I wonder if laughter can help with your you know, respiration, blah, blah, blah. And 400 times they've found either it didn't have much of an effect, or it had a really good effect, like we did, right? And 400 times before us, people went, Well, that's good. Now on to the next thing. And did nothing about it. Wow, right? We're the first people to do something about it. So in terms of, you know, cancer, the obvious. The solution is that if we're lowering your stress and lowering your pain, which we've been proven to do over and over again, then it's going to be easier for you to focus on your recovery and your healing. And you know that stress and that pain is you know, once that's a way your body is your body's immune system is going to be able to fight the cancer in a more effective way.

Yeah, so you've got the, what I'm hearing here now, and what I want to go with you in this is that I'm hearing you've got good validation from the medical world and from scientific data and that type of thing, and you're applying to that. But let's talk kind of anecdotally for a second. Have you seen it happen? You know, have you seen it happen where someone and tell me about that experience, where you've seen somebody kind of light up or glow or, you know, share a testimonial about how this has gone for them, and if so, tell me about one or two of those type of experiences.

Well, sure you can see if you go to laughmd.com, which I encourage you to do, if you want to, if you want to get the app, you want to experiment with it, and it's free, so there's that. But you'll see on our little intro video. You'll see my father in law, Paul Derek career, who is receiving dialysis and holds up the iPad and says it really helped me a lot. Right did, and it does continue to do. So you'll see my dear friend Michael Citron, who uses it during his oncology infusions, and he says that it makes him forget about the pain and the stress of having that infusion, and he has to do every month, and it's a pain in the neck, right? So he he's literally it and, and I've, yeah, exactly. I mean, you know, when I worked with USC, and you would see the patients using it and see them light up, or the patients that we're working with at the oncology Institute, I can only say the first names of Judy and Sergio, but Sergio has particularly aggressive bone cancer, and yet, he's doing okay, and he's watching his comedy half an hour every day.

Wow. So almost as a in a way, almost like a prescription, in a sense, you know, or at least a therapeutic application of this, that that's awesome. Well, Frank, let's, let's bring it around to this. What would you share with anyone who's thinking about somehow getting involved with laugh MD, or wants to know more about it, or how it could be impactful with their lives, either personally, or maybe they have some influence in some medical system. What, which kind of things would you share with those, with those folks?

Well, the you know, the people that we'd most like to talk to would be people who are in the medical profession who would like to see this. You know, would like to try this in their facility with their patients. Or if you're a patient and you want to try it, and you're undergoing some form of care, and we can help you in any way. That's what we want to do. We're here to help people. You're someone who is an investor. You know, we are in the beginning stages of raising funds for this. Once our fifth study is published, then we're going to go at it in a more meaningful way. By the time your viewers are hearing this, that study may have been published.

Wow. Well, great. Well, tell if folks want to learn more, is there a website or things that folks can go to at least learn more about what we're talking about here?

Sure. LaughMD.com, and info@laughmd.com, gets you there, or there's a Contact button on the website as well. And we'd love to, you know, hear from your folks and help them with, you know, healing their patients, or their own journey themselves, right?

Well, I think it's a fast, it seems to me Frank as we kind of close this discussion down, or bring it, bring it to close here that that this seems like it just take beginning to me. I mean, it seemed like the intersection of technology and comedy and therapy is just beginning kind of like, you know, we started with AI a couple few years ago. I know it's one of those things to get out there for a long time, but it really kind of hit the, you know, the tipping the turning point as opposed to tipping point. A couple years ago, it seemed like this may be just a great up. You know, it may be a common thing to see not too long from now is you said, Tell me, is your future vision kind of a big one that is going to great things are gonna be happening here.

Three things, I tell you, three things. One is that we're. Working at the moment with a company called Affectiva that can measure your facial reactions using AI to see if you like you or not. Wow. So we can personalize the channel for you to say, Ah, well, Ed likes puppy videos and doggy videos, but he doesn't like standard comedy videos, so we're showing more puppy videos.

Wow. That's awesome, right?

Well, that's the second of two. Sorry if I may jump in, please. We're working with a chemical, Bina, B, I n, a, H, and bina.ai you can look them up. They measure your health status using the camera on your phone to determine your blood pressure, your heart rate, your breath rate, your hemoglobin, a 1c levels. So once we have to the app, we can see, you know, Brad started this with a blood pressure of 100 over 80, you know. And he finished it with a blood pressure of 90 over 70, or 70 over 90. You know what? I mean? Yeah, I get the idea. We can show the Delta. We can show the difference in the before and after, and that would be objective data, as opposed to the subjective data that we collect now. And Brad to tie it all up. Here's what's going to happen. Mark my words on this. In a couple of years, when you go to your doctor, he or she is going to say, Well, are you eating right? Are you getting enough exercise, and are you getting some laughs?

Wow. So that's wonderful way of leaving it, you know, you've got the AI coming together, and the facial recognition, all this technology things, and then the doctor is going to start to and medical professionals by end of day, just like right now, it's very common for Docs to say, go and get some sunshine, for instance, get some vitamin D, or whatever it would be, fresh air.

You know, this would be kind of a common thing to say, have a laugh. Awesome. I mean, my doctor tell you get some sunshine in a different way. He says, just go. Get out of here. Get out of here.

I got, I got you, my friend. Well, what a, what a delight to be with you, man. And the I just think, I just want to really just finish on the thought that you know, if laughter is the best medicine, then let's use it, right?

Let's use it, yeah, let's Yes, all right. Laugh time. Answer Yes.

And that error there's we, thank you. The name of the company is LaughMD, and you will put all the connections and links in our show notes at cancer and comedy.com we thank you for being our guest today. Frank Chindamo from LaughMD.