The Power of Showing Up: Perspectives on Cancer with Tim Sohn

Hello again, good people. Dr. Brad Miller here on the Cancer and Comedy podcast, where we always look to offer a bit of healing for cancer impacted people through hope and humor, we love to talk to people who bring a smile and little brightness into the world, especially when there is some challenges like cancer. And one of those people is 10 song. He is from the perspectives. He is a two-time Best-Selling Author of Perspectives on Cancer book series which lets cancer patients, survivors and supporters know they're not alone. He's also the creator of the global weekly live stream show showing perspectives on cancer. Tim, welcome to our welcome to Cancer and Comedy. Is it today, my friend.

Thank you so much for having me. Brad and I thought I'd bring a little comedy with me. I have my emotional support. Rubber chicken with me. There you go.

Hey, hey, my friend. Look.

Is that the same one?

Yeah, it's yes. It says right on it the emotional support chicken, yeah. Well, we are squeezing them there for our audio audience there, but we have a couple of rubber chickens, and I keep that in, just in that funny how you got there in your desk. And I have at least one other guy I talked to you recently, the person in the therapeutic humor community with the same coincidence, we both had the therapeutic chicken on our desk here.

How about yeah, you, but you are my people and this rubber chicken was actually given to me by two people, Rachel Druckenmiller and Zach Demopoulos. I don't know if you know Zach through podcast.

I do know Zach, yes.

Yeah, and my cancer numbers had went up a few months ago, and one day I got home and there were like, four boxes on my stuff. And I thought, who's sending me this stuff? And one of the things that they sent me was an emotional support chicken, which I truly appreciate.

Well, that is awesome. Well, you are a guy who I've got to know. I was privileged to be on your show here a while back and got to know you through Podfest and some other online ways, LinkedIn and so on. Your guy, Tim, I know, who always has a big smile on his face. And also among you, besides rubber chicken, you always have a red hat with a goat on it. And so let me just ask you a couple questions about those two things. First, we get into little, little deeper stuff here. What is something that recently has put a smile on your face? What has made you happy here recently?

Oh, that's a great question. Well, being here makes me happy. Always sharing my story in conversation with other awesome people makes me happy. And the goat situation. There's kind of an acronym with the goat thing when it comes to showing up perspectives on cancer, okay, we go with, get out and thrive. All right. So that is, there's kind of a story behind the goat, but there's a little tease into the goat situation.

Well, maybe we can unpack it as we go along. So let's just kind of get into this your story. We what we are all about here at cancer comedy, people who have had some adversity, or whether it be cancer something else, and have found some way in their story to navigate that. So let's hear a little bit about your story. How you, how you a few years ago, 1015, years ago, had some news that kind of rocked your world, and let's take it from there,

Yeah, so 18 years and one month ago, I was in my 20s, I was living in New Jersey, and I had some purple bruises on my leg, and they weren't going away. They look kind of different. I was like, better have that checked out. So I went to my primary care physician, they did some blood work, and they called me not too long after and said, You need to go to the hospital. Like, go. Like, now, just get off the phone and go. So I went to a hospital about two hours away from where I lived at the time, and I was in the hospital for only four days, and that time, they diagnosed me with chronic myeloid leukemia, which is a chronic blood cancer. And, you know, it's funny, I never thought I would get cancer, but so many people in my extended family have cancer, or have had cancer or passive cancer. But I never, I never consciously thought like that I could actually get cancer, you know.

So what was that like, just to kind of walk us through the you said that other people had cancer in your family, but what was your emotional roller coaster, or whatever you went through at that time for yourself or anybody close to you and your family or life. What was that like for you right at that moment?

Yeah, so, so first it was shock, like cancer, leukemia. What is leukemia? The only thing I knew about leukemia at the time was that somebody from when I was in elementary school, another student, had died of leukemia. That's really the only thing I've ever heard of it in my life. Safe. So I was just kind of in shock at first, and then kind of went into the mode like, Okay, now what do we do? They had a clinical trial option, but nobody else had taken it at that point, so we nixed that one, and we switched to, I ended up using a different treatment that it wasn't out too long, but it was having good success. There were good anecdotes about it so, but definitely the emotional component of chronic myeloid leukemia, at least in my journey, has been a lot more challenging than the physical

one well. So the physical challenge, not it kind of rocked your world. It sound like, not your back in your heels, and the emotional challenge was there, and so was there anyone else in your life at this time, parents or anybody else involved with your life who would who came to be supportive of you during those early stages of your cancer journey? Yeah,

for sure, both my mom and my dad and also my sister, Eileen, they were both, or all of they. All of them were very supportive. They all came to the hospital. My mom had worked in public she was a public health nurse her whole life, so her entire career, so that was helpful. And she had also worked at the hospital previously that I was at, so she knew some doctors, and that was all helpful as well. So having family members, but also family members with a with a health background was definitely helpful when we had to make some decisions. Yeah.

So sound like some of these decisions may have led you to some kind of emotional low points? Is that a fair thing to say that some of these this journey had its places when you found yourself in the ditch a little bit. So that may be hard to do, but take us there a little bit, because I think we sometimes we have to go to those get in, you know, we find out how we dealt in the ditch, so to speak, before we can get out and thrive otherwise. So take us there for a minute.

Yeah, yeah. So kind of my journey has been that I had some amount of leukemia in my body for 15 years, and then unexpectedly, it went away for a year and a half, which was exciting, but I wasn't really sure what to do with that. And then it came back after a year and a half and a small amount, and then a more amount, and then now a lesser amount. So it's, kind of like, how do you stay in the present moment so you're not thinking too far ahead, right? Like, I know something that I've learned in my journey is like to live life to the fullest, because you never know when, when you're not gonna be here anymore. So, so that's been really something life changing for me, because especially like in the first 15 years I took a pill every day, I felt pretty much fine, like I was living life like, you know, like nobody would ever know I had cancer. I would barely know I had cancer, except I took a pill every day, you know. But then after my cancer went away and they came back, and it's like this roller coaster. At that point, I was like, I need to be more intentional in how I live my life.

And a part of this living your life every day was getting a little more involved with sharing your story with other people, if I'm understanding you correctly. Tim, you went really a pretty if you were diagnosed 18 years ago. And to my awareness, you've been kind of active in social media in other ways, less maybe 670 or something like that. So was this recurrence of the Leukemia, at least its impact, a part of your decision, at least in some part, to get to put yourself out there a little bit more to take me through that process. A little bit.

Yeah, so I had seen a video that Steve Sullivan, he passed away within the last two years, but he was a 35 plus year acute myeloid leukemia survivor, and he had put a video on LinkedIn on National Cancer Survivor day, and just sharing his story. And I was really inspired by it and a few other things that happened, I was invited on a show called podcast, not podcast with host my friend Jenny gold, and I had told her about my story, but those first 15 years, not many people knew that I had cancer, except, you know, family members, maybe a few really close friends, but mostly nobody. But I thought, you know, I don't usually think the universe is telling me something. I'm not usually that kind of person, but I thought, maybe the universe is telling me something. Maybe it's time to share my story. And so I did. I shared it for the first time on Jenny gold show in June of 2021, and then I created the show showing up perspectives on cancer in November of that same year.

So sound like telling stories, both hearing the story from the gentleman you heard on online, hearing his story and then staring telling your story. Least kind of breaking the ice. So to speak with Jenny gold's podcast led you to see the value of storytelling in terms of a healing process for yourself. And do you think you've been able to connect with others through storytelling, and this has been helpful part of your journey storytelling?

Yeah, I have found that storytelling has been the most incredible way to connect with other people, by sharing my cancer story. But before I started sharing my cancer story on LinkedIn, I started sharing my struggle with chronic migraines, which I used to get a lot worse, and when I received the love and support and care messages comments from people I was like, wow. And other people were saying, like, I get chronic migraines also. And just kind of like, sharing our stories connected us in a way that we wouldn't have connected if we didn't share that part of our lives. Yeah,

and see the end, and you've really leaned in into at least two modalities that I'm aware of to share your story and help others share this story, and that is through LinkedIn, and then also through live streaming. So take us through that a little bit and how that eventually led you to write a book here about all this, but tell it. Why did you choose Live streaming and LinkedIn to kind of lean into that, to tell your story?

So I had previously hosted a live stream show for five years called the Tim and Jim show, which was a show about growing small businesses. You know, we had guests on everything from finance to fitness to marketing to really anything small business related. So I had this background of live streaming, both hosting and producing, and I knew the impact that it could have in terms of that real time interaction with people, and that's what I love about doing a show around cancer, is that people can show up live, and they can ask questions of the guests, and they can provide comments that we could show on the screen that are supporting the guests and each other, and so.

So when I thought about starting a show, I had originally started the show with a friend of mine named Carol Olker, and her perspective on cancer was her mom had died of brain cancer seven years previously, and I didn't know where if the show would work out if there would be an audience for it, but I thought, you know, Jenny provided me a safe space to share my story. What if we provide safe spaces for other people to share their cancer stories, whether it's patients, survivors or supporters? Because I feel passionately that all the perspectives matter, we can all learn from each other, relate in certain ways to each other's stories and even have some fun too along the way.

Absolutely, absolutely well, I know that is part of what you do is to have a lot of fun and but part of this fun is to telling and to share to these stories. So to tell me about a story of these money people who've shared on your live stream that really kind of moved your impact you, maybe pointedly and maybe even in a delighted way. Or tell me a story about somebody you've talked to that's been, uh, been a part of your, part of your

show. That's a really hard question, because there's been so many shows, and I'm sure you can understand that. Yeah, you know, I would say I don't. Did you meet Rebecca Johnson at Podfest? Brad, I think I did. Yes, yeah. So Rebecca had cancer, a rare cancer of the eye and we met her at pod fest. Not this pod fest, but the one before. And unfortunately, Rebecca has since passed away. But she had such a big smile, she had such a good mindset, and I missed seeing her this year. And also Lee Silverstein, he was a colon cancer survivor. He had come to Podfest for some time, not this one, like I said, but the previous one, and he was also on the show.

And, you know, I think one thing that's probably not talked about enough when it comes to cancer is grief and maybe comedy comes into this also. But you know, when you do a show around cancer, something I never thought about was that some of my guests will pass away, yeah, like, just based on the number of guests you have on a show, like, on a weekly show, some of those people are gonna die. And that's not something I thought about, right, you know, and that's something that that I've struggled with a lot the last year, because, you know, like on the show, the show is really to provide hope for people, but the reality is that not everybody is going to survive cancer.

Well, and they ultimately, we none of us survive this life ever, you know, right? Every tree. And so that's where other perspectives come into play. And we've already mentioned one of, I think is important, which is to live life to the fullest to the end. Yeah, whatever that means. It could be being, you know, I could be hit by a bus tomorrow, or live to you 100 with the cancer situation I deal with, and you've lived 18 years, and there was a time and place when you know they've been, you know, really unlikely with your type of cancer that you had. And so live your life to the fullest is one aspect of it. And of course, there's for those folks who are spiritual people, believers, there's an aspect of new life and eternal life as well, and that are there as well and then. But there's also this bond of relationship and living on, and one of the ways people live on is through their recorded messages, including sharing their story through live streaming and podcasting and things like that. So let's lean into that just for a second here. You said you got into the live stream because you had a little, a little experience with it in the business sector and so on. But you see it as a medium of choice here, a medium that is a kind of a powerful meaning for people to be able to tell their story and for their story to make an impact, and others who need to hear it, those who are out there who need to hear a message of hope, maybe they're in a bad situation with leukemia or something else, tell me about that.

Yeah. So live streaming, I really feel is so impactful because of that live element, and people can also watch the show later on, on the replay and comment then, and then, you know, guests can respond later, or people in the community, or family, as I like to call it. So I really feel like live streaming provides like that, that family feeling that, that I want to have on our show, you know, a safe space, a place where people can gather, where people can support each other, uplift each other, and people can do that in the comments. And then people also, oftentimes connect later through LinkedIn or whatever platform. They become friends, they collaborate, you know? And that, and that's been really the most beautiful thing to see around the show, is how it's connecting people together from literally all around the world.

Yeah, one thing is I loved about being on your show, and as I've watched other episodes of your show and got to know you personally, is you have this phrase that you use that I love, and it's two words, showing up. And tell me about the importance of showing up, if, as far as I know, you are pretty darn consistent of doing your show every Wednesday night and then, but tell me about the significance of that phrase, showing up. Where does that come from, and what's the power of that phrase, showing up.

So showing up is, I mean, originally, we were brainstorming a name for the show and and the name of the show became showing up, colon perspectives on cancer. The importance of showing up is just, not even just, I don't want to diminish what showing up is, showing up is, you know, people, especially like in the live streaming world, you know, there's oftentimes people that start a show, you know, maybe they do two or three shows, and then they and then they, you know, dissipate, disappear, whatever, because they're busy whatever. But by showing up consistently and providing that safe space where people can gather and share their stories, you know, people look for it. You know, sometimes with if I don't do a show one week because I'm not feeling well, or whatever it is, somebody will message me, and they'll be like, hey, no show tonight. And I'll be like, sorry, I'm, you know, I'm not feeling well, whatever it is. And, and I did take a month off in December because it was just getting to be a lot, you know, like a weekly show.

And then also, you were talking a little bit about the books. I've done, two perspectives on cancer books and one perspectives on invisible illness book. And I also host an annual in person event, right? So it's a lot, it's a lot of cancer, you know, but, like, I love, I love what I do. I love it. I love it. But I think, you know, something that's important to reflect on is the importance of taking a break sometimes, you know, giving yourself some self care, because, you know, whether you have cancer or not, I think that's important, because if you just keep going and going and going and going, you're gonna burn out. And I was at that place in December. I was just, I was just not in a good place, and also with people passing away this past year, you know, I was feeling kind of depressed about that. So I was just like, gotta take a break. Gonna take about a month off. I'll come back in January and keep showing up consistently again. So well, I think take a break sometimes.

I think you make some very good points there. Tim, the showing up part is I have people have some expectations, that you can develop expectations. Decisions for you to be there. And yet there can be, can be co dependent type relationships, other things develop if you allow them to, if you got to set boundaries on your own, in your own life. And yet the showing up, showing up part, means that you are a care and you're compassionate, and it's a safe place. And people come to know that, and they want to be a part of that. And I think you But now, I'm a believer in kind of seasons. You kind of go hard for a while, you kind of go hard for a while, then you take a break, you know. But they try to frame, try to frame it in such a way that, you know, you take a season of working hard and but make people help people to know that, okay, I'm taking a break here, but we're coming back X amount of time. I've not always been good at this, mind you, but that's kind of the way I did it when I was a pastor.

You know, always go hard leading up to Easter for ends, for instance, you know, as a pastor, get ready for Easter season and then take a bit, you know, a spring break or two, spring break after that, for a few couple minutes that, that that type of thing, but I love that thing about the how that, because I love the showing up part. Tim does something else that I think you have created a very genuine and real way, and that's creating community where people really care about you, because they know that you care about them. And there are people who look forward then to being with you on your Wednesday night show at other times. So tell me about the importance of sense of fostering a sense of community, especially among people who have had something devastating happen to them, like a cancer diagnosis. What and what part does that play in healing for people?

Yeah, I think I think community is so important when it comes to a cancer journey, no matter your connection to cancer, because you need people that nobody's going to completely understand your story, but everybody who has had cancer or will have cancer will hear the words you have cancer or something so or you have leukemia, you know, right? And so to be able to connect with other humans that can understand even part of your story. I know oftentimes I and other people who have been on the show, especially who have cancers that are invisible, feel misunderstood because people can see their cancer. And maybe you're going through something, maybe you don't want to announce it to the world, but you kind of wish that they knew what was going on, and maybe it would influence how they had a conversation with you, or something like that. But I think that the community aspect, that's my favorite part of the show. It's the people you know. After shows, oftentimes I'll send a few people a direct message. I'll say, hey, thanks so much for coming to the show.

Could you start, you start to recognize some names and such for your Yeah, community who are showing up on your on your live stream, and that type of thing. And that seems, it seems like this sense of community, and you correct me if I'm wrong, group, it's also led you to want to tell the story even a little deeper, by putting together some books, in some ways, or compilation of these stories that have helped to put the word out there. Tell me about how the books came about and what was the impact of doing, of doing those.

Yeah, thanks for asking about the books. A friend of mine, Veronica jeans, had written several books about Shopify. She's an expert on E commerce, and she was telling me about the book she was doing, and she was saying, you know, people say you can't make money on books, but I'm making money doing books. It wasn't a ton of money, but she was making money doing books. And that's not why I did this for showing up, although most recent book, perspectives on invisible illnesses, all the proceeds from that book are going to showing up perspectives on cancer, which is now a 501, c3, nonprofit organization, awesome. Yeah, thank you. Thank you.

And so the idea behind the books was just another avenue for people to have a safe space to share their stories, similar to the live stream show, except these are compilation books, collaborative books, you know, I invite people of all the different perspectives as well to share their stories in these books. And it's cool to see the impact the books have on people that read, on people that read the books. But also, what the books do is bring people together. Oftentimes, the authors in these books don't know each other, or some of them don't know each other, so they'll connect, and whatever results from that as well. So yeah, really similar to the live stream show, you know, in terms of the collaborative nature, the community aspect, just through a book.

But it also puts it just another medium of books, you know, it can be on the bookshelf or Barnes and Nobles, or Amazon and so on. And people can according there are certain people who are readers, who are going to connect up that in that way and all that led you, and you mentioned it here already, something I did want to touch on is you created a nonprofit out of this. And I know a little bit about creating and dealing with nonprofits. What led you to do that, and what's. The mission and purpose of your nonprofit?

Yeah so, I had actually announced, I think it was in 2022 that showing up was going to become a nonprofit. And I don't know, I had this mental block in my head to doing it. I don't know if it's because I'm somebody who like, I like things done a certain way. And when you have a nonprofit, you have other people involved, but at the same time, I needed help, because doing all of these things takes a lot of work, you know, and up to recently, I've been doing most of it. So really, the idea behind the nonprofit is we're going to continue doing the same things, and I'm sure additional things as well, to provide safe spaces for patients, survivors and supporters, to share their stories and connect, as well as find resources for healing, hope and resilience. But one thing I'd like to do as well is by sharing people's stories, I want to be able to provide financial resources for some of the people in our community as they're going through their cancer journeys. So with the perspectives on the visible illnesses book, all the proceeds for that are going towards the nonprofit. We've done a few other things for fundraising so far, but, but all very story based, just like it's been all along. I had talked to somebody else who has a cancer nonprofit when I was thinking about doing this, and he said I before I started, before I started my nonprofit, I was a no profit, and then it became a nonprofit. And I was like, This sounds very familiar.

I know, I know the feeling, I know the feeling. So it sounds like you've, at least it's been worthwhile. It sounds like to you know, even from a financial standpoint, you're at least making some contributions to the nonprofit, is my understanding, and so that's, that's a good thing. So and we'll put links to all that in our show notes here at cancer comedy.com of course, where people could be aware about that and think, tell me a story, Tim about how what you're doing has encouraged someone who was discouraged a story that you've heard about.

So this was probably about two years ago, and somebody had sent me a message on LinkedIn and said I found out today that I was diagnosed with chronic myeloid leukemia, which is the exact cancer that I have. She said, I'm feeling overwhelmed. I messaged her back, and I said, Do you want to get on a call? We could talk? And she was like, Sure, that would be really great. So we got on a call, and she, you know, expressed again that she, you know, she had just found out she was feeling overwhelmed, and would I share my story with her? And I said, Sure. And I started it out with, think at this point it was 17 years I said, 17 years ago. I was when I was in my 20s, I was diagnosed with chronic myeloid leukemia, and she said, 17 years ago. And I said, Yeah, 17 years ago. And then I told her the rest of the story, and she said, I feel so much better now because you shared your story and you're still here, you're like, right here, right? And I think oftentimes when people have cancer for a long time, you know, you feel like, does your story matter, right? But if you're here for 18 years or 10 years, whatever the amount is, that gives people hope, just by the fact that you're still here, and if you share your story, you're giving people hope. And so that is the most memorable conversation that I have had over the last few years, because she had the same kind of cancer for me. She reached out to me on LinkedIn because she was a story.

She was early in the journey, and she was encouraged by the fact a, oh, that very day, oh, my goodness.

She had just found out that day, that's always.

She was still in the shock phase of things. So yeah, well, that's it. That's awesome. So that to me, those are the types of stories that make it worth it. To me when I hear about those type of stories about something. Now I had one some small part in may have been encouraging to someone, or, like we like to say here, trying to take it to grandma and turn it into a grant, at least the granted meaning having something worthwhile and something to look forward to and to learn something myself. So I'm interested in Tim and what you've learned in the along the way here, what is been encouraging to you, or what are lessons that you've learned along your journey here, especially as you've put yourself out there, you know, really put yourself out there, a lot to be kind of a face, as it were, of perspectives on cancer. What do you what have you learned?

I've learned that it's important to take. Care of myself, or for you to take care of yourself, because if you don't take care of yourself, and you are showing up for other people, it's going to be really hard to keep showing up for other people. So I would say the first thing is take care of yourself, whatever that looks like. For me, I like going for walks in nature, which doesn't work out very well when it's like negative three degrees in Pennsylvania, right? Yeah. So I go walking in a store instead, I get some exercise in in a warmer in a warmer environment.

Art walker or whatever, huh?

Walmart or Lowe's, they have a pretty good track around the outside lowest Yeah. So if you want to go walking in the winter, shout out to Lowe's. There you go. The not yet sponsor of the show.

Well, hey, that's something else, but, but you've touched on something I'd like to swing around with you here for before we conclude our conversation, because you mentioned how the you know you were to take care of yourself. But there's also the caregivers who are impacted and you've that's kind of the silent people impacted by cancer. What do you got to say about those folks? What advice would you give to caregivers who support folks like you and me who've deal with cancer? How do they how can they show up to be helpful.

So, I think communication is really important when it comes to caregivers and patients, because oftentimes either one of you are going through a lot, right? Caregivers are doing a lot of the work. Patients are hopefully healing. They're getting chemo, they're getting radiation, they're whatever they're doing, but they're both going through a lot at the same time, or maybe different times as well. So I think it's important for both people to give each other grace and also to try to communicate as best as you can with each other in terms of like, what you do need or what you don't want. You know? One thing that I've learned in my cancer journey before, the last few years, before I started sharing my story, I did not ask for what I needed and wanted. I was a very go with the flow kind of guy, yes, no problem, sure. But after sharing my story and hearing the stories of others, I have learned, oh, and with the help of therapy, I have learned a therapist. I have learned to ask for what I need and want, and do I always get my way? No, but is it important to advocate for yourself?

A part of caring for others is caring for self. So that's awesome. Yeah, for sure. So good. Well, I got it. We got it. We got to come back around to this, my friend, you know, for my audio audience and but I just want to share that to Tim is a guy with a big smile on his face, but he always is known for wearing a red bucket hat with a white goat on it. And we touched on at the beginning of our conversation, but yeah, you got to unpack the story of the white goat Red Hat thing here, my friend.

Sure. So, so the deal with the goat is, well, first of all, it's an acronym. It stands for, get out and thrive. But I'm showing this on the screen right now. This is a screaming goat, yeah,

Oh, I can barely hear it. Yeah. There we go. Yeah.

That's better. This goat I found when I was in Princeton, New Jersey a few years ago, visiting my friend Brian Shulman, who was at pod fest. Okay, and I found this goat in Barnes and Noble, and I didn't know what to expect from the goat. There was a box that said it screams on it. And I like silly things. I like. I like to laugh. I like. So I bought it. It was like seven bucks, and so every so. So you'll often see me bring the goat onto shows, or if I know somebody's going through a rough time, or just meet a new friend or something, sometimes I'll send them a scream and go to the mail. So, yeah, it's just, it's a representation of joy, of happiness, of being silly. Well, because.

Along that, that's an encouraging word. But what word of you know, just sound like you've given some words of encouragement here to our other source, people going through some difficult, difficult times. We've touched on kind of the grief being the other side of the joy of care, of compassion and all that. It's all kind of inter they're all integrated to one another, but we cannot be in denial of what is happening to us. And I just say, I appreciate you at so many levels. You offer so much to people. I've seen that happen, seen it happen to me and others. And that's a that's an awesome thing to say, and you're kind of a legend, in a way, in the in the pipeline of people who are kind of working in this area of therapeutic humor and that, that type of thing. And so that's good to know, but Levi, just tell us what's next for you, my friend, what's next for you and for your live stream and your books, everything you're about. And how can I know there's somebody out there who may just need what you're offering? How. Can they get connected to what you're all about?

Yeah, thank you. They could go to perspectives on cancer.com and kind of what's next is the continued evolution of the nonprofit organization. But also there's going to be another perspectives on cancer book that comes out sometime in the spring of 2025 and if I could get enough people to share their stories. My goal is to have children and like youth, children and teenagers share their cancer stories in a book. Compilation book might look a little bit different. The stories might be a little bit shorter, might have a different vibe. But I've, over the last few months, I've come into contact with a few different youths who have wanted to share their stories in different ways. So it's important to be able to share this.

Oh, absolutely love that. I just know that that's there's certain things that happen with children and youth that just not only warm your heart, break your heart, but they make your heart soar. And I love that, so that that's a good thing. Well, you do that for us, my friend, you've been a delight to our cancer and comedy audience, because we're all about helping to bring a bit of a grin to people who have had some grimness in their life. And you offer a word of encouragement. I thank you for that is and I just invite you to check out. We'll put links to everything he's all about at our show notes, at cancer and comedy.com but you can go to him at perspectivesoncancer.com His name is Tim Sohn, and he's been our guest today on the cancer and comedy podcast. Thank you, Tim.