Laughter, Loss, and Love: Comedian Bob Wheeler Talks Money, Facing Your Fears and Healing Bob Wheeler

Hello, good people, and welcome to Cancer and Comedy, the podcast where we look to integrate healing with hope, and humor. And we like to bring in people who can really speak to this on many, many levels. And we're really pleased today to have as our guest here on Cancer Comedy, his name is Bob Wheeler. He is a very experienced and seasoned comedian, author, and money coach, and also the CEO and CFO of the Comedy Store in Los Angeles, which is, of course, the heartbeat of comedy in many ways. So lots of famous comedians have come through there and are still there. And he's the author of the book "The Money Nerve." Bob, welcome to serve our audience here at Cancer and Comedy.

Thanks so much for having me excited to be here.

It's awesome to have you here with us. And we mentioned this a little bit about what you're all about there. But you are a seasoned comedian and a guy who's been around and understand the comedy world, but also about financial services and all kinds of other things. But the first thing I really want to ask you about is what's something in your life, Bob, that kind of struck you funny recently, or made you smile or just made you feel kind of good? Anything happened in your life here recently that kind of put a smile on your face?

Gosh, well, when I wake up in the morning, if I'm breathing, it usually puts a smile on my face.

There's some days where we just had a little conversation about how among other things you do is tax. It's tax season, and you do returns for people. And so we're in the middle of that right now. So that always causes some stress for people. So I'm glad to see you got a smile on your face. And wake up breathing here. Tell us a little bit about what you do at the LA Comedy Store. What are you involved with there? And how did you get involved with that?

Absolutely. So I am the CEO and the CFO of the world-famous Comedy Store. I actually started out as a comic. I was just trying to do comedy at a show there. And they got into some financial trouble. Mitzi reached out to me, all my friends were comics, and Mitzi was asking me to come and help. She's like, "You've got to help, we're in trouble." And I was like, "Yeah, I'm just going to be a comic." But I couldn't not help the club. I jumped in, helped. Here I am, 25-27 years later, still working at the club. And yeah, I work with operations. I work with the finance department, and basically work with the owner to hopefully guide the ship to where it needs to be as best we can.

And just to be clear, for our audience, Mitzi is the owner.

And a lot of people, though she founded it, she passed away in 2018. And we have just tried to carry on her legacy. What she created here has impacted the entertainment world in so many ways, with all the people that have passed through our doors. So really fortunate and privileged to be a part of it.

You work with a lot of creative types. And just for the benefit of the audience, give us some idea of some of the names that people might know who've come through, kind of come through the Comedy Store in order to have great careers in comedy.

Well, let's see, Chris Rock, Robin Williams, Roseanne, Jim Carrey, Richard Pryor, Whoopi Goldberg.

Yeah. Well, I just, I know it's one of the key places, of course. But I think part of what you're touching on here is interesting, that you would say how they kind of got a little bit of trouble because sometimes creative types, and that's more your world than mine now. I just want to be honest with you here because I just want to understand it better. It's my understanding of these creative types sometimes aren't quite as good with some of the mechanics, is a word of, you know, financial dollars and cents, the business side of doing what they do. And it sounds like you were able to step in there to help people navigate some of that if when they maybe got in trouble. Is that a part of what the story here is?

Yes, yeah, absolutely. I'm very left-brain, right-brain, and so it allows me to live in both worlds pretty comfortably. And I think a lot of times, people in the creative world, that's all they know, or that's all they want to know. And especially for performers, at the end of the day, if they'll perform for free, if it's an opportunity to get to perform and hone their craft and make somebody laugh. So money is not always the deciding factor in a lot of their choices. It's usually secondary. And so being able to navigate that with people and actually, one of my friends, I was sitting in the main room at the Comedy Store, and they were telling me how ashamed they were about their money and how much they knew that they were so inadequate. And when I told him, "You're not the only one that people make these choices," they're like, "What?" And it was sort of the impetus for me to write the book to let people know, "Hey, we all have made mistakes, we've all done things we're not proud of. But we're not alone in our financial journey." And certainly, most of us are out there trying to hide the bad stuff. And the more we can normalize conversations around money, I think the better we all are.

What you're talking about here is kind of normalizing conversations around money. But there are several major stressors that people have in life, that are sometimes reflected in the arts in comedy, but you know, they are, they do include money. Of course, that's something that hangs on for everybody. But they're also health-related things which we deal with quite a bit here. On our podcasts, relationships, is another one where people kind of always have those things in the mix in terms of stresses in their life, and they all, there are some commonalities in those things in that they cause stress. But how you deal with it, how you cope with it makes a difference? Can you give me some, it seems to be comedians that artistic people oftentimes express their stress, if you will, kind of out to the world where not everybody does that, you know, does that? Can you give me maybe some examples where you've seen comedians or people in the arts, who have kind of processed, as it were, the stress with their life, whether it be financial or relationship or health or anything else? Through what they've shared?

Well, I mean, I would have to say that probably the most glaring example is Richard Pryor, okay, you know, Richard Pryor made everybody laugh. But when he was retelling his stories, he's reliving that pain, he's reliving the trauma of his childhood. And so for a lot of comics that are being very vulnerable and being their authentic selves, they're sharing their deepest wounds. And they're putting it out there for everybody to see. And I think he's such a prime example of somebody bringing laughter and joy, but through his own pain, and I think that's, you know, comics tend to have a higher rate of suicide, there tends to be a lot more emotional things going on because they are baring their souls and because they are so open.

Well, certainly, Richard Pryor is one of my favorites. But obviously, and he's from my era, basically, he processed a lot. And I just remember very vividly the whole scenario when he, I forget exactly how he did, he, Biscay burned himself up, you know, and then came back from catching himself on fire with cocaine or whatever it was, and then commit he returned, kind of a trend away, traffic return, but it was all about processing the pain. And we all got to benefit and being entertained by it. But ultimately, there was a lot of tragedy with what I've tried to get out here, there seems to be kind of a little bit of a very gray or kind of a kind of a fuzzy line between tragedy and triumph or between you, you know, things like cancer and things like comedy. Can you speak to that a little bit? How there is some, you know, really, connections between tragic and performance here?

Yeah. Well, you know, it's interesting, I did a lot of improv. Gary Austin, who founded the Groundlings, we used to do this work together. We would have 20-30 of us come together, and we would do these comedy bits. He would throw out "your family" and it's dysfunctional. And we would just play these characters. We would let ourselves go for 45 minutes into these characters and explore. On occasion, we would be laughing and doing stuff. Then these dysfunctional family members would also all of a sudden go into a very dark place. And all of us were so caught up in it that we couldn't even find a way out sometimes. For me, laughter and humor are a way to heal. So often, we have to be able to laugh at some of the most painful things to keep going, at least for me. I think because they are so closely related, we can laugh at something that's incredibly tragic, but we can also feel the pain in something that seems incredibly funny because they just coexist together.

Yeah. Well, I think even some of the statements that people make or even metaphors, if you will, "I laughed until I cried," you know, or, you know, in my case, when I was diagnosed with cancer, you know, I said I had to laugh to keep from crying, you know, people write those types of things. That's the thing I would share about my personal story. But you mentioned there, do you think humor is a piece of helping people process and heal? Can you give an example of have you seen that may have happened even in the comedy world or personally or otherwise? Or unpack that just a bit, little bit, how you may have witnessed that?

Yeah, well, I had a really good friend, a very good friend of mine who got prostate cancer, and the doctor missed it. This guy was so vigilant, always going to the doctor, just always doing all the right things. Basically, the doctor was like, "Oops, I missed it, this is not going to be good." My friend was able to go from anger, which is where he initially was because he didn't feel taken care of, to acceptance, but using humor. Being able to see the bright side, being able to see the lighter side, not taking everything so seriously, and he had a lot of other challenges. So in a way, he was able to see and express gratitude for even having been here as long as he was, even though he had wanted to stay a little bit longer, right? So humor was a way that he could deflect the anger, deflect the pain, and actually be really present. Because when you're laughing and your body is vibrating, you're present. And it doesn't take away the pain. It doesn't take away the anger. But it certainly helps in dealing with all of it.

Well, I think you mentioned there are several things, I think, help people cope with this. One is deflection; sometimes we need that, sometimes we need to deflect things off. Sometimes, we also have to deal with reality eventually. But there are also things like irony and there's also things like just absurdity that come into play here. You know, you try to do everything right in your life and still bad things happen. Bad things happen to good people. And we've seen that happen here. But a lot of it has to do with how we handle it, don't you think? You know, they just take care. So let's talk about how, Bob, how you help us to handle it, or how what you teach. You teach a lot of things in the financial world, but financial mindset. But I noticed you also work in some therapeutic modalities. But a lot of it has to do with a change of mind. You know, we can be dissolved into misery, right? We can just stay stuck in a depressed state. And many, many people do that. Or you can choose to do something about it. Those are some coping skills. So tell us a little bit about what are some actions people can take? And what are some manifestations, if you will, of kind of a change of mind to help us to deal when bad things happen to us?

So, a couple of things. You know, we, in my opinion, we all have a story, we all tell a story. We may present a story that's fictional to what we're actually living, we may be telling our authentic self, but our stories have a cost. So if I'm into the story of living in complete fear, which is what I did for many years, I'm living in fear, but I'm going to present really well. But underneath, I'm terrified. Well, that's coming at a cost to me; it's the cost of constant stress, anxiety, people finding out that I'm not as good as I'm pretending to be, self-worth, all that stuff. I'm hiding it. So our stories have a cost. Our stories have a cost. And the question is, is the benefit of staying in our story more advantageous than the cost of leaving that story behind? And so for me, changing that mindset and starting to say, how is this serving me, the story that I'm in, this mindset that I'm in? How is this serving me? Is it serving me? And is it what I want? Because if it's not what I want, am I willing to pivot? Am I willing to do something different? Self-reflection, not fun, not joyous, at least for me. I go into this stuff kicking and screaming. I, you know, it was not pleasant having to look at the places where I was coming up short or wasn't in integrity with what I felt I needed to be doing. And there was a lot of fear about if I was actually myself, would I be accepted? Would people, would I be enough? And I think a lot of us have a lot of trauma, a lot of grief that we have to hold on to because if we let it go, we might fall apart. People might see us for who we really are. And there's a lot of vulnerability in that. And in the somatic work that I do, we really try to tap into and not relive but to tap into that trauma, tap into that grief and really welcome it and process it so that we can actually move through it instead of having it hold us back.

Interesting that you would frame it in those terms. I think, in a way, if you'll allow me, I think you were even kind of using a financial framework, if you will, a kind of a cost-benefit analysis about the stress in your life. You know, what's it costing you? It could be physical health, you know, there's lots of studies out there, you know, we swallow our fears and swallow our hurts, it comes out in ulcers and what have you, heart problems. But you're saying that's here, but what are we going to do about it? And it seems like you mentioned some systemic therapy and so on. So what do you think? Give me a little idea about any kind of spiritual aspect of this or an aspect that goes from the mental to kind of the spiritual or the mindfulness to how there's some connections there. Can you speak to that a little bit if that's a part of this at all?

Yeah, I absolutely believe it is. For me, personally, and so I'll just stress this is my personal belief. And I think that's important because I don't speak as an expert, I speak as an expert of my own life and my own experiences. I believe we all have a purpose, I believe that we all have something to teach, to bring to the world, our gifts. And when we can get clarity about why we have come here, it helps us to get really clear about the steps we need to take to be prepared to do that. So like, for me, I was living in a life of terror, wasn't sure I wanted to be around. And so having to go through a lot of those fears and find out that oh, that didn't kill me. Oh, showing up and people finding this out about me, I didn't die. And then learning the skill sets, learning how to talk in public, learning how to, for me, doing martial arts, learning to feel comfortable that I could take care of myself out in the world. And once I didn't know exactly what I needed to do, but I knew I wanted to be in connection with people. I knew that I wanted other people to know that they mattered. And I wanted to know that I mattered. I knew that I wanted to have an impact. And I think most of us really show up in the world wanting to have an impact, wanting to have connection and wanting to know that we've made a difference.

You mentioned several things here. I just want to reflect with you about. You kind of talked about the big "why," kind of the big purpose that you have, that you believe you have, I believe everybody has, and how to kind of come to that. But you also talked about fear. And I believe in that fear is things like loneliness and desperation, and just being frozen at work, feeling stuck, the feeling of being stuck, I believe, and just see what you think here. I think this kind of loneliness and things like this are epidemic in our world right now. Do you believe that's the case or something to that effect?

Absolutely, absolutely. I think so many people are starved for connection. And it's a rough place to be because we're so afraid to ask for help and ask for connection.

So what I want to go with is that you mentioned fear and flowing into sleep things like as you mentioned how you were kind of stuck in that place. But I believe you did some actual things to break out of that. So I'd like you to describe at least one thing that you did, you know, kind of intentionally to break out of that fear to do something out of your comfort zone, to do something here.

What I did was I started moving towards the things that I feared. Okay, so I was afraid. I'm afraid of public speaking. Okay. So I started, I joined Toastmasters. I started speaking. I was afraid to get in physical fights or I'm a small guy, and I use humor to escape. But I always had this fear that if I got in a situation, I couldn't defend myself. So I started taking martial arts. I started learning how to show up and doing actual sparring with people, which was, you know, initially terrifying. Anything that felt like it was something that I was scared of, I would move towards it rather than away from it so that I could actually find out whether it was going to kill me or not.

I want to say that that's all very true. It's but the public speaking thing there. I've been a public speaker for a long time. But you were part of the process to help me to overcome one of my fears. And when I bucket list a few weeks ago, when I you know, you've been involved with the comedy world for some time, and a few weeks ago, I was at an event where you helped me to take my first steps. I did my first-ever stand-up comedy routine for three minutes. And I was scared to death. But you and some others helped me to navigate that. And so I want to thank you for being helpful to me in that process. But I want to turn that around for our listeners and for our viewers. What do you think are some ways, some practical ways that few are some steps people can take to face whatever fear they have and to take a step forward? What are some applicable principles here we can take?

You know, I think one of the first things that people can do because this stuff is scary, is find an accountability buddy. Find somebody that you trust that feels safe. When I used to do stand-up comedy in the very beginning, I would bring a friend so that if I was terrible, or if people didn't laugh, I could walk offstage. And somebody would say, "Hey, I think you're amazing. Hey, let me give you a hug." And just having that moral support, knowing that I had somebody in my corner, just made a world of difference. And I can think of so many times when I finally was able to ask for help, knowing that it was there, even if I didn't need it. It was just there. It was just such a comfort to me. And so I think for a lot of people, if they know, you know, maybe it's not your parents, maybe it's not your spouse, maybe it's not your best friends. Maybe it's a coworker, maybe it's somebody from church. But find somebody where there's a little bit of a safe space, and start to share, start to be vulnerable. "Hey, I'm really afraid about this thing. Could you just hold my hand? Or tell me I'm going to be okay." I think that's huge. And I think we just don't ask enough for help.

So what I hear you say is you need a safe space or place and somebody to help you to be your partner in that. And so that when you do take the adventure out, when you do get out of the, you know, away from the shore, if you will, you know, out of the harbor, Safe Harbor to use that metaphor for a second year, that you have a home port to go back to on somebody to go back there with. And I think that's so important. So we mentioned earlier, loneliness and things like that, and many people don't have that. Maybe there's communities that people can either seek out, or perhaps develop, where they can find those safe places, those partners to take a bit of a risk with.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, find your tribe, right? Find people where you can feel like you can thrive, where you can show up as yourself. I remember when I got involved with Radical Aliveness, which is a somatic therapy, leadership program, and community. And they said, "This is a place where you can find your people." And I said, "Yeah, I don't think so." And I walked away for a year and said, "Yeah, I'm not going to have that. Why would I want to have connection and people that might support me and advocate for me?" And I think for a lot of people, we may get to a place where the pain is so much that we have to move from it, or it will consume us. And I think for me, I had to make a choice. It's like, "I'm in so much pain. Do I want to stay in this pain? Because it's consuming me and I'm not sure I want to be around? Or am I willing to face some of my fears, try something different, and have maybe a different outcome? Because if I stay here, nothing's changing." And that willingness to say, "Alright, I'm going to take this leap of faith. And it's better than just sitting here in the pain."

Awesome, awesome. Well, one of those areas that you took a bit of a leap of faith and found your tribe, as it were, is in the area of financial management and planning and service to other people. Your main book is "The Money Nerve: Navigating the Emotions of Money," and your podcast is all about money as well, "Money You Should Ask." I've noticed in your podcasts and in your writing here, you do touch on this emotional aspect. And what I mean by you found your tribe, you, I think you found a group of people that you can serve out of love and respect, especially this juxtaposition of not just the budget, aka the dollars and cents, and, you know, pay off the highest credit card first and what have you, but that emotional connection here. So tell us a little bit about why you got involved with this in the first place? And what was the purpose then of writing this book and the podcasts and so on to help serve this community?

Yeah, so there are a lot of great people out there. And, you know, you can ask for advice. And they'll say, "Well, you spend too much, that's stopped buying so many shoes." Right? Yeah, that's great. That's great. But if we're just going to give people information or shame them to change their behavior, we're not actually getting to the root cause. And so for me, when I started to realize that people were making financial choices or life choices based on unconscious trauma, unconscious grief, unconscious lack of self-worthiness, until I could understand where people were coming from, I couldn't really help them. Because all I could do is shame them into a behavior or browbeat them until they do what I say. But that's actually not creating change. It's just getting somebody to do what I want to be compliant with. And I really wanted to get to what's underneath, what's going on for you? What are you trying to avoid feeling by spending? What are you trying to avoid feeling by sabotaging your savings? And so having to get to those root causes, at the same time, I could tell you what to do. But I wasn't following that same advice because I was working on my own childhood stories and traumas that may or may not have been intentionally put upon me. I may have just taken them on my own. And so when I started to realize, in my own personal life, where I wasn't setting boundaries, where I wasn't telling people, no, that doesn't work for me, because I was so afraid that I, and I started to realize other people were experiencing similar things, even though they were different stories, there were some themes, some commonality. And so I got really curious about what was going on for people. And I just started asking a lot of questions. And I just found so many people, when they were willing to share, that there was just so much shame, there was so much isolation, and so much feeling like, "I'm the only one that did it wrong. Everybody else out there is doing amazing."

What you've mentioned here is, you know, there are several things that are triggers for people - money as a trigger, health is a trigger, relationships, yes, somebody about their marriage or whatever, that can be a trigger. Those types of things like those come out in comedy, of course, what we talked about earlier, but money is always going to be there. People, you've talked about, you know, hey, I did shop, you know, I had something bad happen to me, I had a fight with my spouse, I went shopping therapy, or you know, hey, I want to buy the bigger boat than the neighbor down the street, whatever, this kind of stuff. So the emotional connection is definitely there. But you mentioned there, Bob, about asking some questions of people and learning some things from there. What were some of the questions you asked? And what are some things that you learned?

So one of the first things I ask people is, "What do you remember your parents telling you and not telling you about money? What are the things you remember as a child, like what was your first money experience? Was there shame? Was there joy? Were you too much? Were you not enough?" And starting to ask people, "What do you remember? What are those little imprints?" Because a lot of this stuff happens when we're four, five, and six, we're taking it in and saying, "Oh, these are facts," because we don't know any better. We're just taking in as much as we can. And so once I started just asking those kinds of questions, "What happened early on?" then we were able to get to a place of, "How is this serving you now? Is this story still true? Is it fact? Or is it fiction? And what would it take for you to let it go?"

So you really tapped into some of the things we've already mentioned here about some of the emotional core, the story. I love how we keep coming back to that; we all have our story, don't we? And whether from our very early childhood, and it impacts all these areas, relationships, health, as well as our financial well-being, and it seems like you are working in a process here. I love the tone of your book, by the way, "The Money Nerve," because you touched a nerve, you touch a nerve with people when you talk about money, for instance, that kind of thing. You know, when anybody's negotiated a salary or anything like that, you know, it's a touchy conversation or anything along that line. But you touch on those things, but I wanted to mention how this emotional piece comes into play. Eddie Kenda gets exacerbated or multiplied when you have these other things come into play - health issues, you know, after a divorce comes all of a sudden, the division of property and any number of things that come along with that, you know, the breakup of a relationship or, you know, somebody does something bad gets in trouble with the law or whatever. And Nelson, there's bankruptcy, any number of things could come into play here. But let's talk about for a second how in the world that we'd like to deal with cancer and comedy. How one of those transitions in life that happens when somebody gets cancer or something else bad happens in their life, they not only have to think about the health issues, we have to think, "Oh my god, how am I gonna pay for this? What about the insurance applications? What about all the things related to the financial power? If I'm off work for an extended period of time, or if I need to hire a caretaker, any number of things here come into play?" Do you have any just kind of practical advice or any directions that you might be able to give some of our listeners who deal with these type of things? That might be helpful?

Well, you know, it's funny. As you were talking, I could sort of hear Gilda Radner saying, “There's always something.”

Yes, I just read that book recently.

It's a brilliant book. But there is always something. There is always going to be another bill, there's going to be some things we have to deal with, there's going to be some unpleasant trees. I think, for me, it's when these things come that we didn't plan on. The question I ask myself is, how am I going to show up? How am I going to handle this? I'll try to handle it with love and grace and ease. Maybe I won't. But that's going to be my intention, how am I going to show up? And am I going to be angry? And yeah, I'm gonna have all of those things. Right? But how, at the end of the day, am I gonna? How am I going to reconcile this? And so I think there's a part of us, at least for me, I want to control the heck out of everything. I want to be in absolute control. And when I'm not, oh, it's so hard. Yes. And the more that I can appreciate that I'm not in control, always have the circumstance. But I am in control of how I react in how I connect with other people, how I relate to other people, and how I'm going to show up. So that's what I focus on, is, how do I want to show up?

How do you want to show up? And I guess, part of that process is, you know, how can I just take the next step, right? And just try not to be so much, this seems overwhelming at first, you know, whether it's, you know, with that, though, there's almost always a many times there's a massive event that happens, you know, whether it's a health care diagnosis, or a divorce, or somebody's kid, you know, you get the first when your kid goes off to college, and you get that first bill, you know, whatever it is, that those are, those are, those moments are kind of, you know, take your breath away, and you got to do something with it. And you have got to cope with it. And I love your process here of kind of, you know, facing your fears, doing these types of things that you're talking about here to deal with loneliness, you know, things like that. But that story comes back into play. So I'd like to hear one more story from you here, Bob, before we bring us to a conclusion here in the next few minutes. I'd like to hear the story of someone that you've served, either out of your books or your teaching your courses, does interaction, somebody in your that you've just a friend or whatever. But, you know, I believe if I'm hearing your heart that you really want to help people find some sense of peace of mind, financially or otherwise, it's part of your heart, I believe. But tell me a story about someone that out of your influence, in some form or another has helped you to find a little bit of peace of mind.

Yeah, so one of the first things I did when I was going through the somatic therapy program, I had to lead a workshop, or that was what I chose to do. I led a workshop with about 20 people. And there were a couple of older women in the workshop. They showed up because a friend pressured them or whatever. They're like, "Alright, I'm going to do this thing.” And we did a lot of different exercises, a lot of experiential things to just bring stuff up to the surface. At the end of the workshop, one of the women got up and said,” I have suppressed my life's dreams for so long because I just knew they were never going to happen. And through this weekend of process, I rediscovered my dreams and the things that bring me joy, and I'm actually going to move towards those. I feel inspired to actually rekindle my passion for these things.” For me, that was such a cool thing. The other woman had been living a bit in isolation and had just sort of, you know,” I’m just always going to be alone." And having her being able to receive people's hugs and people's interactions and just seeing her deciding, making a choice that she wanted to participate in the world again, and that she wanted to show up, that she did have a purpose. Because I think she had been telling herself a story that "I'm older, I'm not as attractive, I'm not of any value." To really see her come out of her shell and say, “Yeah, I actually do want connection. I do want to celebrate life. I just sort of lost a bit of hope.”

Well, that is what a cool message there. You said it was cool for you, and that's my experience. When you see transformation take place and someone else says you have at least some parts to play, it was almost nothing cooler. So let's just kind of bring it around to this then, Bob. Let's just say there's a person listening to us right now who's kind of in that place, sort of what those women were before. Someone who's having a little bit of struggle, do you know, they're financial or they're a mess, or they have health issues or they're lonely? Just any word of encouragement or advice you might give to someone who just needs that word here today.

Yeah, I would just remind people that they are enough, they are enough just as they are. They are not their bank account, they are not their past, not so great decisions that they made. And they matter, they matter, their voice matters, and just be willing to take that risk. There are people out there that will hold space for you. Maybe not everybody, but if you don't get it from the first person, ask the second person, ask the third person, because there are people out there, guardian angels for all of us. Just know you're enough.

You're enough. I love that. Love that message. Well, we appreciate you being our guest here today. If folks want to learn out more about what Bob Wheeler is all about, how can they find out more about you and your books and courses, things like that? How can they get connected to your world?

The best way to get access is themoneynerve.com. Not nerd, I'm a nerd, but it's themoneynerve.com. That's got the podcast, it's got the books, we've got free resources, and feel free to reach out. We love connecting with people and love being that piece of support that people might be looking for.

That's awesome. We'll put connections to all that on our website, cancerandcomedy.com. Our guest today here on Cancer and Comedy, Bob Wheeler from themoneynerve.com. Bob, thanks for being our guest today on Cancer and Comedy.

Thank you so much. I so appreciate your time and the conversation. Thank you.